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Wednesday, April 06, 2005
 
Patriot Act Renewal
by Cordeiro
Well, Dear Reader, it looks like its time for the anti government moon bats to come out of the woodwork. Be prepared to hear endless recitations of the impending end of the world - all as a direct result of the USA-PATRIOT Act.

What does the Patriot Act actually do? Well, to put it simply, it lets Uncle Sam take the gloves off just a bit when doing battle against terrorism. It was passed in the aftermath of September 11th when people finally started realizing terrorists were using our freedoms to perpetrate acts of terrorism on our soil, and indeed around the world.

With the passage of the PATRIOT Act, the government was given, among other things, the ability to:

These are just a few of the aspects of the PATRIOT Act, some of which are due to sunset at the end of this year.



Some people, the ACLU in particular, have gotten their collective thongs in a wadded bunch over the powers granted the Feds in the PATRIOT Act. They seem to think its more important to abide by their interpretation of the rules rather than combat an enemy bent on the destruction of our way of life.

I'm sorry if my comments may be taken as extreme. If you have another interpretation of the goals of Binny Laden and Company, I'd love to hear them.

The United States Government is charged specifically with the duties of Providing for the Common Defense, Promoting the General Welfare, and Securing the Blessings of Liberty to its citizens and their posterity. If it does not use every available resource in the fulfillment of the above listed duties, it won't really matter what the ACLU considers proper.

Dennis Miller once, on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno (I believe), summed up my feelings on the PATRIOT Act. He said "Attorney General Ashcroft, if you're going to spy on me, go right ahead. Just do it well enough so I don't know about it."

Terrorists should not feel safe or secure in this country. They should fear that everyone they deal with is out to get them. They should be paranoid that every single phone call, email, or instant message they send is being read, and that every knock at their door is a Federal agent prepared to send them to Allah.

You'll forgive me if I don't really care about the civil rights of terrorists and those that support them.

Here endeth the lesson.
10 Comment(s):
"You'll forgive me if I don't really care about the civil rights of terrorists and those that support them. "

Do you really, as a conservative, support more executive jurisdiction over your life? Have you read the Patriot Act  ? Many sections detail new powers and procedures that having nothing to do with terrorists. How many "terrorists" have been convicted using the Patriot Act?

I think you and the ACLU need to stop and read what you are supporting or protesting more carefully. Even your own Republican senators support revising it! 

Posted by theprisoner6
Actually, yes, I have read the Patriot Act. I make it a point to "get into the weeds" of legislation I comment on.

If you bothered to check sources other than the privacy nuts out there, you'd realize the Patriot Act has been used successfully in several instances to thwart, arrest, and otherwise stop terrorists from perpetrating acts of terrorism on this country.

As for supporting "more executive jurisdiction over my life", any arm of the executive branch who sees fit to look into my life will find out just how incredibly boring and non-terrorist I am.

What I do not support is the act of handcuffing law enforcement to the point where the very freedoms this nation provides are used against her by murdering thugs.
 

Posted by Cordeiro
"As for supporting "more executive jurisdiction over my life", any arm of the executive branch who sees fit to look into my life will find out just how incredibly boring and non-terrorist I am. "

If you truly believe that all sections of the Patriot Act are limited to terrorists alone and you trust the executive and judicial branch completely to make that determination, you are living in some twisted kind of utopia.

The reason we limit police power is because it must be checked or it threatens to corrupt. There are many cases that suggest a misuse of police power, including cases involving the powers gathered from the Patriot Act. More of my opinion here 

Do you really believe, having read the Act, it is not in need of reform?

Do you support the Safe Act? Why or why not?
 

Posted by theprisoner6
I never stated the Patriot Act was limited to Terrorists. Its also been very effective in combating another type of enemy. We call them criminals .

Liberals have a very broad definition of the "misuse" of police powers. The pendulum has swung much to far in the protection of the criminal/terrorist. If you really want my opinion regarding the reforms necessary in the Patriot Act, I would strengthen  the existing provisions and try to make the job of law enforcement and intelligence agencies easier.

As for the Safe Act, send me a link. Reading legislation is not something I do unless I have to. 

Posted by Cordeiro
"police power ... must be checked or it threatens to corrupt." 

Unchecked power threatens to corrupt? Oh, you mean like the 9th and 11th U.S. Circuit Courts of Appeals? 

Posted by Bonjo
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Safe Act - http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism/PATRIOT/safe_act_analysis.php  

Posted by theprisoner6
Time today is limited, therfore I'll get right to the point:

The "SAFE" Act is designed to scale back the scope and power of the Patriot Act - plain and simple. It appears to me that those who favor scaling back the powers they themselves voted for have little faith in the judiciary they so treasure. Remember, all searches and surveillance must be approved by a judge.

Case and point: SAFE Act wants to limit the use of "Sneak and Peak" searches. For the record, since the inception of the Patriot Act, there have been 155 warrants issued for such searches. That accounts for less than .02% of all issued warrants. Just how much more do you want to limit this type of search? Its routinely used in drug cases. Are terrorist suspects more deserving of privacy than drug thugs?

As for the Roving Wiretaps, I could rebut the SAFE Act supporters, but I'll leave that to Eric Posner and John Yoo of the Wall Street Journal .

You're tilting at the wrong windmill. 

Posted by Cordeiro
"Case and point: SAFE Act wants to limit the use of "Sneak and Peak" searches. For the record, since the inception of the Patriot Act, there have been 155 warrants issued for such searches. That accounts for less than .02% of all issued warrants. Just how much more do you want to limit this type of search? Its routinely used in drug cases. Are terrorist suspects more deserving of privacy than drug thugs? "

This is ridiculous. All the Safe Act does is put specific language in the Patriot Act that clearly states its limitations. All "sneak and peak" searches before  the Patriot Act had restrictions like the following:

"limiting secret searches to those situations where notice would endanger life or limb, result in flight from prosecution, or result in evidence destruction/tampering"

Most of the Safe Act ammends existing articles of the Patriot Act so that there is explicit language stating its limitations, rather than leaving room for judicial activism.

For example,

Limits the use of “John Doe roving” wiretaps. SAFE § 2 amends 50 U.S.C. 1805 to ensure that Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) wiretap orders meet the 4th Amendment’s “particularity” requirement and clearly limit the scope of the wiretap. “Roving” wiretap orders that do not specify the facility or location to be tapped must at least identify the person whose communications are targeted, while “John Doe” wiretap orders that do not specify the targeted person must at least identify the facility or location to be tapped.

I think even someone who is diehard pro-death could see this as reasonable. And I would hope you also see the debate over the Patriot Act as fair considering that Congress passed it so "swiftly" few members, much less their interns, had read it. 

Posted by theprisoner6
In the first place, I must say I resent being referred to as "pro-death". I stand firmly behind those specifically in the intelligence and law enforcement fields whose goal it is to defend this nation from those who would do her ill.

If there is any issue on which I am "diehard pro death" it would be toward terrorists and those who support them.

Debating the Patriot Act is fine. Go ahead. Debate it till you're blue in the face. I'm very tired of hearing what the Patriot Act "could" be used for and the "possible" abuses of power contained therein. The ACLU and like minded moonbats have spent the better part of the past four years doing their best imitation of Chicken Little. As far as I can tell, the sky has not fallen, W and company haven't declared martial law.

Nothing, and I repeat for emphasis, nothing   I have seen in the Patriot Act causes me to fear for the future of this nation. The fact the ACLU and company are getting their collective thong in a wad actually helps me sleep at night.

As for the "limitiations" suggested by SAFE, I don't see a need for them. I'm not worried about "conservative, pro-administration" judicial activism yet. Confirm me a few more conservative, strict constructionist justices and I'll entertain the possiblity.

Feel free to continue to comment on this post, but I doubt I'll come back here as often to respond. Sorry - limits of time.

PS - thanx for the plug over on LJ. We welcome all comers here. 

Posted by Cordeiro
"PS - thanx for the plug over on LJ. We welcome all comers here. "

No prob... everyone should be exposed to your righteousness! 

Posted by theprisoner6
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